a navy of 200 ships, marin corps of a less than 150,000 and huge cuts in the air force modernization plans. the long term effect is serious. >> arthel: did you say cyber warfare would fake o take a hit? >> remember, cyber warfare isn't just people but it's equipment. this is a brand-new realm for folks in dod which we're starting over if from scratch. to have that effort in some cases truncated because the inability to bring on new computers and freshly cyber trained officers would have an effect. >> arthel: i'm sure the world is watching that for sure. leon panetta said it's too early to say what sequestration means and it doesn't require immediate reduction of spending and wouldn't affect military personnel and president obama says his intent to exempt the accounts to pay for military personnel. does it mean anything to you? >> it's going to preserve pay scales but you don't take half a trillion out military without affecting people. i think both chiefs of army and marine corps have said that. we're going to have to go active duty military, those that have served four, five, six to